Mink Ragdolls

[JanH]

Yes, one can get any cat a breeder is willing to breed and sell. However, if one wants a LH mink, why not get him from a breeder who is breeding to the standard of that breed rather than from a breeder who is breeding a rejected variant in their breed? Of course, one can support that and a breeder and buyer should be able to decide about it. However, just as one might not want to "support" breeders who place kittens at six months or who do not DNA test for HCM, one might decide not to support a breeder who breeds outside the breed standard. So, one at least should know the truth of the status of the cats. That being accomplished, then each can decide for herself how she wants to proceed. We did not get a kitten from Ann Baker because, i. a., we felt better about getting a kitten from someone who did not claim that their cats had skunk genes. ; )

One could get a Ragdoll with papers from a pet shop - willing breeder, pet shop and buyers. I would not do that (or recommend it) just because I do not support placing pets through pet shops other than local shelter pets.

There is no panic. Just a desire for folks to understand the history and status in the breed of these cats. ; )

[Solo]

I think the point here is that if you did find a Ragdoll "breeder" breeding minks, then it would be a breeder most likely not to purchase from. Most of the time when so called breeders are producing things not part of the standard on purpose, then they are not following proper code of ethics.

It is kind of like people who sell albino dobermans or boxers, they do it mostly for the money and then say they are "rare" colors and increase the purchase price. A lot of times unethical breeders aren't going to properly care for their animals because they have dollar signs in their eyes.

You would be better off to find a Ragamuffin breeder breeding the color you are looking for to ensure you get a healthy well bred and socialized pet.

[blueragdoll]

JanH Wrote:What do you mean "keep it up." Mink Ragdolls were never accepted in the breed and are from recent outcrosses, more recent than red and lynx.

Hi Jan, Can you get traditional lynx Ragdolls? I was under the impression that you could...


Also regarding the Minks - There is a retired Ragamuffin breeder on another forum I am on and he might of even been the foundation breeder of Ragamuffins here in Australia (not 100% sure) but from the few things I have read the solids and minks were never Ragdolls and were outcrossed with the Ragamuffins to get those patterns. Many of these solid and mink 'Ragdolls' have the 'Ragdolls' that they first got the pattern from way back in the pedigree but the same cat has been found in Ragamuffin pedigrees but not as a Ragdoll but a Ragamuffin. So the pedigrees were incorrect. I am not sure whether this is right as I don't read thoroughly into his threads but if you are interested I will do a search and find his threads and post the links. I believe he even posted proof of incorrect pedigrees a while back.

[JanH]

No. There is no traditional lynx. Keep in mind mink, lynx and solids are ALL dominant traits. This means at least one PARENT of such a kitten has to have that characteristic. It does not just "appear." (Chocolate is recessive and is sometimes hard to identify. Their is controversy about the presence of chocolate and lilac in traditional lines - and that is why there was a Ragdoll outcross program to make sure they were present.)

What you describe sounds more like the minks than the solids. Some Ragdoll breeders trace their solid cats to an IRCA Ragdoll breeder who brought them into the cat fancy Ragdoll breed along with her pointed IRCA Ragdolls long before the Ragamuffin was invented. Ann placed a solid into this breeder's Ragdoll breeding program in the late seventies I believe. Ann had also placed a Honey Bear into a Ragdoll breeding program - the Honey Bear being one of her Persian like attempts to create a breed. So, it seems during this later period she was pretty much delivering any cat that came to hand into IRCA Ragdoll breeding programs. This was the reputation she then had and the earlier willingness to accept IRCA breeders into the Ragdoll breeding group shut down. That left the last group to leave Ann not much choice other than to create the Ragamuffin breed with their cats, which at least some of them describe as a combination of all of the IRCA breeds, including Honey Bears.

So, yes, the same cats can be in the pedigrees of Ragdolls, IRCA Ragdolls and Ragamuffins. For example, all of them would be expected to include the Ragdoll foundation cats of Josephine, Daddy Warbucks, etc. Some will include outcrosses for lynx, red, mink, solid -- and chocolate.

[DARKSUMMER]

(11-04-2009 10:01 AM)JanH Wrote:  Minks were recently rejected by TICA breeders as an acceptable variant in the breed. So, not only do most breeders not deal with them themselves, but also they would prefer others not breed them either. If you want a LH mink, then consider a Ragamuffin, where the variant is accepted.


(Chocolate and lilac are also traditional colors. Red and lynx are not traditional, but are accepted in the breed standard.)

I totally agree with you!