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I have been doing some research on the various types of Purina One Adult foods and Royal Canin Adult foods. Purina One has an Indoor Healthy Advantage Hairball and Healthy Weight formula. According to the website, it has (but not limited to) 38% crude protein, 8.5% crude fat, 11% moisture.The first five ingredients list: brewers rice, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal, turkey and soybean meal.

According to the Royal Canin website, the Indoor Adult formula has (but is not limited to) 27% curde protein, 12% crude fat, 8% moisture. First five ingredients: chicken meal, brown rice, rice, corn, corn gluten meal.

I would mix the two half and half, just like with their kitten food.

For you more experienced adult Ragdoll cat owners, does this sound alright?

Thanks!Smile
Many of us try to use foods that have chicken or turkey as the first ingredient and that have less corn and by-products. That said, you should feed the healthiest food that your fur-kids will eat. It's often a trial to find the right mixture of good ingredients and what will be eaten.

Some pet stores will refund for food kitties won't eat. "Unliked" food can also sometimes be given to animal shelters or groups that feed feral colonies.
If you are transitioning from kitten food to adult, then the easiest transition is to the brand and blend you have been already feeding. If, for example, they have been eating xyz co chicken and rice kitten, then the easiest transition is to xyz co adult chicken and rice.

I am not sure why you are starting with indoor and weight control. That may be appropriate if you think they should slim down, but the first transition food from kitten food, if that is what you are doing, would tend to be just to regular adult food.

Obviously, if you want to transition to a "better" food, you just need to decide what you think is better and give that a try.

Most cats will immediately transition, but it is safer to do a slow change, particularly if you are committed to the new food. You can start with 10% new and just increase it a bit each week, pacing the increase by how well they accept the new and the lack or correction of any GI upset.
Here's a little list that may help with your selection, I got it from here
http://www.acreaturecomfort.com/ratingpetfood.htm

How to grade your pet's food:
Start with a grade of 100:
1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points
2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat -not actual protein source stated such as chicken, lamb, turkey etc) reference, subtract 10 points
3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points for each
4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points
5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (I.e. "ground brown rice", "brewers rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
6) If the meat protein sources are not in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
7) If it contains any artificial colorants or preservatives, subtract 3 points for each
8 ) If it contains corn (ground corn, corn gluten, whole grain corn etc) subtract 3points
9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
10) If the food contains any added animal fat other than fish or flaxseed oil, subtract 2 points
11) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
13) If it contains wheat or a component of wheat such as gluten, subtract 3 points
14) If it contains "digest" subtract 5 points
15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credits:
Bonus credit-If the food contains NO grains, add 10 points

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
2) If the protein source is meal vs meat, add 5 points
3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
4) If the food contains probiotics or prebiotics, add 3 points
5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points (these may be hard to determine as many manufacturers of natural holistic food use these products without actually printing the information on the bag)
8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points
9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2points
10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
14) If the vegetables are pesticide-free, add 1 point

Score:
100+ = A+ 94-100=A 86-93 = B 76-85 = C 75 or lower= Failed


And here's a quick explanation of some ingredients:

Animal Digest: This is the dry by-product of rendered meat. During rendering, all usable animal parts (including fetal tissues and glandular wastes) are heated in vats and the liquid is separated from the dry meal. This meal is covered with charcoal and labeled "unfit for human consumption" before processing it into pet food. Digest can also include intestines, as well as the contents of those intestines, such as stool, bile, parasites and chemicals.

Animal Fat and Tallow: Animal fat is a "generic" fat source that is most often made up of rendered animal fat, rancid restaurant grease or other oils that are deemed inedible for humans. Tallow is low quality hard white fat that most animals find hard to digest, not to mention the cardiac risks resulting.

Chemical Preservatives: Chemical preservatives include BHA (butylated hydroxyanisole), BHT (butylated hydroxytolulene), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used in automotive antifreeze and is suspected of causing red blood cell damage) and ethoxquin , are all potentially cancer causing agents that your pets are eating every day.

Chicken By-products: These are ground parts from poultry carcasses such as feet, heads, feathers, intestines, necks and undeveloped eggs and can included any rendered material.

Corn Products: Corn products including corn meal, gluten and grits are cheap, allergy causing fillers and are very difficult for animals to digest.

Food Fragments: Lower end by-products of the food manufacturing process, examples include wheat bran and brewers rice which are a waste product of the alcohol industry.

Ground Whole Grain Sorghum: The feed value of grain sorghum is similar to corn and is grown primarily as a feed grain for livestock.

Meat and Bone Meal: “Meat” and bone meal are inexpensive sources of animal protein. Note that these companies do not clarify the source of “meat”, nor are they human-grade meat. The protein in Meat meal containing a large amount of processed bone may not be digestible and fail to provide adequate nutrition.

Meat Based: A label that say "meat based" may also include blood vessels, tendons, organs and other parts of the rendered animal. Note again that these companies do not clarify the source of “meat”, nor are they human-grade meat products.

Meat By-products: Pet grade meat by-products consist of organs and parts not desired or not fit for human consumption. This can include organs, bones, blood and fatty tissue. It can also include brains, feet, heads, intestines and any other internal parts. Unbelievably, by-products can also contain cancerous or diseased tissue containing parasites, euthanized animals, .
Gotta have those fruits and vegetables.
Alisha,
I know this is very lazy of me but do you know of a couple of brands that have a high score? What do you feed Solo? I give Luca Eukanuba kitten chow. We are still on vacation and I don't have the actual bag with me so I'll have to wait until we get home to see how it scores.
Thank you.

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Aren't you at all interested in the credentials of the people that put this rating program together and why this approach is not reflected in the pet food selection advice of a panel of vet nutritionists at major vet schools? http://www.consumerreports.org/health/he...ood-ov.htm
I read the article and completely agree; feeding your pet shouldn't be a matter of buying the most expensive food you can buy. It should be a matter of you feeling comfortable with what you feed your pet, and some people after realizing what is in pet food may or may not change their minds on what they feed. One person may be fine feeeding pet foods that contain corn and by products, since they are harmless and edible, but I choose not to because I believe they are used in foods when companies are trying to save a buck and cut corners.

My vet agrees with these feeding practices also, and I am going to stick with his advice.

According to the PetSmart website shopping online, here are a few examples of how you can feed your cat a food with different ingredients and not have to pay more.

Science Diet Indoor costs 11.99 for a 3.5lb bag
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.js...lmdn=Price

Ingredients:
Chicken By-Product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Powdered Cellulose (10.5% source of fiber), Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean Oil, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Calcium Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Glyceryl Monostearate, Vitamin E Supplement, DL-Methionine, Iodized Salt, Taurine, minerals (Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), L-Carnitine, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.


Blue Buffalo costs $17.99 for a 7lb bag, they do not have a 3.5lb size but the equivalent to the science diet would be 3.5lbs for $9 - so this food is less expensive
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.js...lmdn=Price

Ingredients:
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Salmon Meal, Whole Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Cranberries, Blueberries, Flaxseed (natural source of Omega 6 Fatty Acids), Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Kelp Meal, Taurine, L-Lysine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Turmeric, Salmon Oil (natural source of Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Black Malted Barley, Oil of Rosemary, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin C, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Calcium Ascorbate (source of Vitamin C), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin (Vitamin B3), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Folic Acid, Biotin, Choline Chloride, Calcium Chloride, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Zinc), Iron Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Iron), Copper Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Copper), Manganese Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Manganese), Potassium Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Potassium), Cobalt Proteinate (source of Chelated Cobalt), Potassium Chloride, Sodium Selenite, Salt, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bacillus subtilis, Bifidobacterium thermophilum, Bifidobacterium longum, Enterococcus faecium.

According to this 1 example, which one would you pick? Sure it won't be the same for every brand; but generally for the price range you are currently spending on your pet food, you can find something with different ingredients for the same price, or maybe for $1-2 more.
(05-23-2010 10:20 PM)Sandeelee Wrote: [ -> ]Alisha,
I know this is very lazy of me but do you know of a couple of brands that have a high score? What do you feed Solo? I give Luca Eukanuba kitten chow. We are still on vacation and I don't have the actual bag with me so I'll have to wait until we get home to see how it scores.
Thank you.

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I have no idea what the highest scoring food is... there are so many different foods out there it is insane to try to find all of them. I feel Solo Orijen mixed with Halo.
(05-23-2010 11:29 PM)Solo Wrote: [ -> ]but I choose not to because I believe they are used in foods when companies are trying to save a buck and cut corners.

Share with us the comparative costs of ingredients. Do you believe all corn products are less expensive than meat products? Do you believe a better food has more expensive ingredients even when another food is nutritionally equal or superior. (The point of the expert's advice.)
(05-23-2010 11:38 PM)JanH Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2010 11:29 PM)Solo Wrote: [ -> ]but I choose not to because I believe they are used in foods when companies are trying to save a buck and cut corners.

Share with us the comparative costs of ingredients. Do you believe all corn products are less expensive than meat products? Do you believe a better food has more expensive ingredients even when another food is nutritionally equal or superior. (The point of the expert's advice.)

At the grocery store corn costs about 99 cents a lb where meat costs 2 - 5 dollars a lb. I don't know how much it costs for pet food companies. Do you know how much they pay for their ingredients? In general, it seems to me that the carcasses of animals would be less expensive than the meats. The rendering process to include some forms of corn may be expensive as they require special machinery... that's the only reason I could think of why corn would cost more than meat.
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