Yes well, not going into detail where I see these things, obviously....but gee, I can get a Birman Ragdoll cross for nearly 700 bucks! not registered...infact, not desexed...hmmmm...where do ppl get off?... I might be ignorant...I might be daft, but in my opinion, that is so insane! I know all of this has been said before, but every time I look at my local sell site...I see all sorts!...TiffanyxRaggie for almost 700 bucks.....and the Birman/Raggie....they make it out to be some amazing new breed?!...mostly I feel bad for the *chumps* that fall for it...but more than that, I just hope the kitties find good homes
It is not the kitties fault, but boy oh boy I get just slightly miffed at the righteous folk, who constantly take from the pure breed...just to make money, and clearly that is all they are doing, IMO anyway, as here a pure bred raggie is 600 too 650.....why not pay another hundred and get a bitza!....( meaning ) who knows what the bloodlines are:/....Ty guys. just a rant ! :/...ho hum...
The expensive dog hybrids made this kind of nonsense inevitable from BYBs and mills.
It ticks me off too Kim. The problem is then their are usually a ton of other medical problems that go along with these animals. Lots of people fall for it too because they don't know any better. Sad!
I agree about the Ragdoll X Birman crosses but keep in mind that many reputable Ragdoll Breeders have used Birmans for the reintroduction of the Chocolate gene back into the Ragdoll genepool.
Personally, I would not have selected Birmans as an Outcross because those Breeders also introduced the Birman White Gloving Gene into the Ragdoll genepool. They are maybe outcrossing to Tiffanies for the same color gene. Maybe they are not registering all the cats (Culls) as Ragdolls but are registering some of them as Ragdolls for future breeding purposes? It's possible!
Producing hybrid kittens is very different from an outcross to assure the presence of a characteristic. (Although one can endlessly debate the particular choice of an outcross to accomplish something all agree should be done by SOME outcross, I will note that the breeder who made that choice is a much more experienced breeder than you, Curt. ; ) As to the possible presence of the gloving gene, even assuming it was not already in the breed from some Ann Baker outcross or another, there is no proof of it, although it is a concern to some. For you, who breeds a "with white" "breed," why are you pretending that it makes any difference which WSGs are used. Any WSG can be cleared if that is what one wants by multiple scrubbing through selection of colorpoints.)
Hybrid cars, Hybrid puppies, hybrid kittens--I guess hybrid is in these days--Although I would never think of getting a dog from a petstore, I notice that all the puppies are 1, 2, 3, or even 4 breed crosses selling for like 300-700 bucks!
I don't care what WSG it is but to others Breeding Ragdolls it may be a concern because there is a genetic difference between "Spotting" and "Gloving"
"Any WSG can be cleared if that is what one wants by multiple scrubbing through selection of colorpoints.)"
Ah Yes!, Ragdoll "Purification" via Colorpoints.......................
(02-08-2010 08:13 AM)JanH Wrote: [ -> ]The expensive dog hybrids made this kind of nonsense inevitable from BYBs and mills.
Expensive dog hybrids (Variants of accepted breeds) can not be registered.
The "gloving gene" is understood now just to be one of the three identified levels of the White Spotting Gene. Of course, there are genes and polygenes that one wants to breed out. That is what selective breeding is about. One does not even know if the Birman WSG is even IN Ragdolls to be bred out. ; ) That does not seem cause for great concern.
It is always "interesting" that you are the one piping up to identify "concerns" about Ragdolls. Makes one wonder if you are just about posting here to raise concerns - false ones. ; ) (I think that is called trolling by the kids. ; )))) ) One would think the "challenges" facing your "breed," Ragamuffins, would keep you very busy focused on "concerns" for that "breed" and not leave much time to worry about the finer points of Ragdoll breeding. ; )
(02-08-2010 03:08 PM)JanH Wrote: [ -> ]The "gloving gene" is understood now just to be one of the three identified levels of the White Spotting Gene. Of course, there are genes and polygenes that one wants to breed out. That is what selective breeding is about. One does not even know if the Birman WSG is even IN Ragdolls to be bred out. ; ) That does not seem cause for great concern.
Like I said, It may not be a concern for some. I guess the same can be said for "Silver Ragdolls"
(02-08-2010 03:08 PM)JanH Wrote: [ -> ]It is always "interesting" that you are the one piping up to identify "concerns" about Ragdolls. Makes one wonder if you are just about posting here to raise concerns - false ones. ; ) (I think that is called trolling by the kids. ; )))) ) One would think the "challenges" facing your "breed," Ragamuffins, would keep you very busy focused on "concerns" for that "breed" and not leave much time to worry about the finer points of Ragdoll breeding. ; )
Most of our major challenges have been overcome in our very short 16 years as a Breed. Quite Frankly our concerns about our Breed have been lessened by a really wonderful group of outstanding Ragdoll Breeders that have embraced the RagaMuffin Breed.