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I'm wondering how many breeders out there are breeding the mink ragdolls? Or is everyone just doing the traditional colors(blue & seal)?

BlueyedBabyz Wrote:I'm wondering how many breeders out there are breeding the mink ragdolls? Or is everyone just doing the traditional colors(blue & seal)?

you find if you look for one, but its not very common.

Minks were recently rejected by TICA breeders as an acceptable variant in the breed. So, not only do most breeders not deal with them themselves, but also they would prefer others not breed them either. If you want a LH mink, then consider a Ragamuffin, where the variant is accepted.


(Chocolate and lilac are also traditional colors. Red and lynx are not traditional, but are accepted in the breed standard.)

still a few choose to keep it up. So if she happen to want one its possible to get one. But will probably not be able to show it or anything.

What do you mean "keep it up." Mink Ragdolls were never accepted in the breed and are from recent outcrosses, more recent than red and lynx.

I think a lot of breeders don't like them b/c once Anne Baker told others she didn't want them breeding ragdolls anymore, they broke off and just renamed the ragdoll a "ragamuffin". The minks were one of the colors that were one of the first "registered" Ragamuffins. BUT, minks were a part of the original lines of ragdoll. I'm only asking around to see how many people were actually breeding the minks still
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Tranquil Wrote:still a few choose to keep it up. So if she happen to want one its possible to get one. But will probably not be able to show it or anything.

JanH Wrote:What do you mean "keep it up." Mink Ragdolls were never accepted in the breed and are from recent outcrosses, more recent than red and lynx.

I just ment that there is people who still breed that cat whatever you wanna call it.

http://www.minkragdoll.com/

NO. Minks were not an "original" or ever a Ragdoll variant. They are not accepted now and they were NEVER accepted in Ragdolls. Minks (and solids) were introduced into some IRCA breeding programs (NOT cat fancy Ragdolls). When the Ragamuffin breeders split from Ann and her IRCA, they kept their minks and solids. That is why Ragamuffins include minks and solids.

(Short course in history. The first breeders who broke away from Ann were the Daytons, who were the first breeders to get Ragdolls from Ann. They subsequently worked, with other breeders, to make the Ragdoll a cat fancy breed. Other breeders joined them over the years, both new breeders and ones who left Ann and her IRCA. IRCA Ragdolls are NOT the Ragdolls we all have. We all have cat fancy Ragdolls. Much later, another group of breeders left Ann and are now trying to create a new, independent breed with their cats - Ragamuffins. The cat fancy Ragdolls left Ann early on and have never included minks or solids. Ragamuffin breeders left decades later and do include minks and solids, who were brought into their IRCA programs by recent outcrosses and were not previously even in IRCA Ragdolls.)

Tranquil Wrote:I just ment that there is people who still breed that cat whatever you wanna call it.

http://www.minkragdoll.com/

Sorry, but the link you have is false. The cat fancy Ragdoll has never included minks. To the extent it matters, even IRCA did not include minks until the 1980s and they were brought in by outcrosses then - three decades after the Ragdoll was "invented." The person who brought minks into IRCA cats those many years later became a founding Ragamuffin breeder.

I do not understand why mink and solid breeders feel the need to lie about the history. There has been an open request among breeders for a reliable pedigree that traces the solidness or minkness of these modern variants to anything but a later outcross. NOBODY has ever come forward with one. If they were in early Ragdolls, where did they go? In fact, they were specifically rejected as Ragdolls in the beginning by both Ann and the cat fancy Ragdoll breeders. As late as 1985 Ann was still telling people that Ragdolls were the "blue eyed cats" - and neither minks nor solids have blue eyes. ; )

The cats referred to by some as "Mink ragdolls" arent real ragdolls. but the people who breed with those cats referr to them as that. The question in the thread here wasnt "is that a ragdoll or not" it was more like - do people breed those cats. Yes, a very few do. Why? Dont know, dont care. They dont mean anything to me. But if someone wants one of those as a pet ? Sure why not, people should be able to get whatever cat they want. As long as neither cat or owner suffers. If someone want a cat with a certain look, thats up to them to decide. Showable, "breedable" or not.

No matter what someone claim is the source for the color, it does not matter. If its not approoved, it isnt approoved. And a unaprooved cat will probably never be more than a pet if one is born.

Breeders dont wanna breed minks, fine thats their choice to make. But that does not make wanting a cat with "the wrong qualities" a crime

If the thread starter here was planning to breed, he/she would (or at least should) do the proper research to do it correctly. And if someone WAS to breed their ragdoll without doing it. Well who would want to buy that kitten for THEIR breeding programme ? Noone would buy it because it wasnt aprooved, so in reality it would be harmless. Unless someone actually made the effort to start making it a own breed, even if it happened, why would that be such a disaster since it would not harm the approved lines/looks. And same for the kitten buyer, who would throw out the ammount a proper kitten costs without dooing some real research, that also go for people who just buy it for a pet.

So no reason to panic